KTM Update: First China-made EMU to arrive before Sept 2011 – but when will service truly improve? (Update #2)

  • Update: 6 EMU trains are expected to arrive and be operational by the end of 2011. See this article in The Star (reproduced below with comments from TRANSIT).
  • Update: Thank you to @wrongdoings_rapidKL for the links to the articles about the launching of the first of the new EMUs. We will continue to update this post as we find more photos!

TRANSIT took note of this piece of information from Bernama, which confirms that the first of the new EMU trains for KTM Komuter is expected to arrive by September 2011 – approximately 2 months away.

TRANSIT can see the train arriving and being welcomed/launched on 31 August 2011 as a special gesture. Perhaps as a way for making up for the fact that the KTM ETS service could have been ready on 31 August 2007 (the 50th anniversary of Merkeda!) if the government had only purchase the trains!

In any case, our big question is not when will the trains arrive, but rather, how soon will they get enough trains into service so that KTM Komuter becomes reliable and frequent again.

First China Made EMU For KTM Commuter Service To Arrive Before September (Bernama, 6 July 2011)

From Alan Ting

ZHUZHOU (Southeast China), July 6 (Bernama) — The first consignment of 38 Electric Multiple Unit (EMU) units of six-car trains ordered by Keretapi Tanah Melayu Berhad (KTMB) for commuter services will arrive in Malaysia before September, said Transport Minister Datuk Seri Kong Cho Ha.

He said the EMU, build by China state owned CSR Zhuzhou Electric Locomotive Co. Ltd (CSR ZELC) were well ahead of the schedule with the first consignment expected to be put into service before the end of this year.

“The delivery will be in stages with full delivery of the total 38 EMUs by June next year,” he told Malaysian reporters here after “the roll out ceremony” for the first of the 38 EMU sets of the six-car trains ordered by KTMB at SCR ZELC plant here.

Also present were the Governor of Hunan Province Xu Shousheng, chairman of CSR ZELC Zhao Xiaogang and KTMB President Dr Aminuddin Adnan.

KTMB has signed an agreement with ZELC, a well known China EMU builder on May 19 last year to purchase custom-build EMU sets of the six-car trains for commuter service in Klang Valley under the government’s National Key Results Areas (NKRA) for public transport. Kong said the custom build EMU specifically to run on Malaysia meter gauge (measuring one metre or 3 ft, 33/8 inches wide) which can travel up to 140 km/h.

He said the purchase of 38 EMUs cost RM1.89 billion and was awarded to ZELC based on the lowest price offered in their bid for the government procurement tender.

“The contract does not include Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul (MRO) which we are still looking into awarding soon,” he said.

The trains of six sets has a futuristic design, using latest train technology from China with two KTM engineers based here for the past three months to ensure all systems follow the specifications set by KTM.

Each train set is capable of carrying about 900 passengers and this means KTM can double its passenger transport rate as well shorten the waiting period from currently 30 minutes to 10 and to only seven and half minute at peak hours.

Meanwhile, Dr Aminuddin said the 38 new EMUs will be used to serve the routes between Rawang-Sungai Gadut, Batu Caves-Port Klang, Sentul-Port Klang and Batu Caves-Rawang.

He said with the entry of new EMUs from China, the usage of “EMU hybrid’ will be reduced.

KTMB had introduced the use of EMU Hybrid trains since last year to overcome the problem of cancellation, delays and shortage of trains.

The KTM Komuter EMU Hybrid sets use diesel locomotive power with the help of power-generating car that provides electricity for their air-conditioners, public address system and automatic doors.

— BERNAMA

TRANSIT Says:

So there you go – better KTM Komuter service by the end of 2011 – we hope.

We certainly hope that the government will not stop with these 38 trains and purchases at least 40 more trains (over the next few years) to replace the current fleet and allow for some expansion of services.

We believe that KTM Komuter can achieve 5 minute frequencies during peak hours & daytime along the Batu Caves – Klang and Sg. Buloh – Kajang corridors, with ETS service operating the extended Komuter routes instead.

These kinds of frequencies will only be possible with an investment in a rail bypass from Alor Gajah to Port Klang to Batu Gajah, as well as improvements to the KTM corridor between Bangsar and Sentul.

The question is can KTM Komuter passengers hold out until the end of 2011?

The article below is an update on the launching. From the article we have learned that there should be 6 units of the 6-carriage EMU trains operating by the end of 2011. The remaining trains will have been delivered (but all will not necessarily be operational by June 2012.

KTMB President Dr. Aminuddin Adnan also states that they will be capable of increasing frequencies to 7.5 minutes by the time the full fleet arrives but he says this will not happen for another two years because apparently, the capacity of the new trains will more than accommodate the demand.

We really have doubts about this. You can see our comments below.

Earlier delivery of China EMUs (The Star)
Friday July 8, 2011
By NG CHENG YEE

ZHUZHOU (China): KTM Kommuter users can enjoy faster train services when six of the 38 sets of six-car Electric Multiple Units (EMUs) are operational by year end.

Transport Minister Datuk Seri Kong Cho Ha said the first set of EMUs would be delivered ahead of the scheduled date in September while another five more sets would be delivered by year’s end.

All 38 sets are expected to be delivered by June 2012, he said.

“After receiving the trains from CSR Zhuzhou Electric Locomotive Co Ltd (CSR ZELC), we will still need to test them on Malaysian tracks before they can be put to use,” he told reporters after attending the roll-out ceremony of the EMUs here on Tuesday.

[TRANSIT: The certification process will take at least 3-5 months]

He said the 38 sets of EMUs cost RM1.89bil, which excluded maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) expenses.

KTMB signed an agreement with CSR ZELC in May last year to purchase custom-made EMUs for commuter service in Klang Valley.

The EMUs are custom-made to run on Malaysia meter gauge track and can travel up to 140kph.

Kong said the contract was awarded to CSR ZELC based on the lowest price offered in their bid for the government tender.

[TRANSIT: We would love to see all those tender documents, wouldn’t you?]

KTMB president Dr Aminuddin Adnan said the new units would be used to serve the existing routes from Rawang to Sungai Gadut, Batu Caves to Port Klang and subsequently Seremban to Port Klang and Rawang to Batu Caves when more EMUs were delivered.

He said by January, the frequency of train services in these routes would be reduced from the current 15 minutes to between 10 and 12 minutes.

“The new EMUs allow us to increase the frequency of trains to 7.5 minutes but we do not need to do so yet for the first two years as the capacity of the trains is three times higher than the number of passengers we currently receive.

[TRANSIT: Ok, here is where we have a problem. Dr. Aminuddin is somewhat correct is saying that the capacity of the trains is 3x higher than the number of passengers KTM Komuter currently receives. This is because KTM is only operating approximately 20 units of 3-carriage EMU trains (out of a fleet of more than 45 trains originally) – so yes, 38 units of 6-carriage trains will carry 3 times as many people as 20 units of 3-carriage trains.

But if we compare the demand before the recent crisis, say back in 2007 before the trains (and KTM Komuter service) started falling apart we would see that demand had increased between 1994 (when Komuter started operating) and 2007 (when it all started to fall apart) by a factor of 3. 

In other words, as the fleet decreased by approximately 60%, demand increased by 200%. What this actually means is that these 38 trains will not provide excess capacity as Dr. Aminuddin claims. Rather, they will get KTM Komuter back to where it was in 2007,

That is why TRANSIT believes we need many more trains than the 38 on order. We need to replace the entire original fleet with 6-carriage trains, then buy another batch of 40 to increase service!]

“Once we have established the travel pattern, we will gradually increase the frequency of the trains.”

On the MRO contract, Dr Aminuddin said it was currently finalising a two-year agreement with CSR ZELC.

“We believe that the same company that designed and manufactured the trains will be able to do a better job in maintaining them.”

He said the new EMUs could offer a more comfortable travelling experience as they were cleaner and their air-conditioning system also worked better.

“There are also special security features like close-circuit television in all the cars and one of the coaches in each set of the EMUs is designated for female passengers,” he said.

TRANSIT Says:

Well, there you have it – our big beef with KTMB & Dr. Aminuddin’s comments. Yes, service will increase when you compare it to service as it is today. But service today is in amazingly terrible shape as anyone who takes Komuter regularly will attest.

The new trains will only take KTM Komuter back to where it was in 2007. We still need to move forward.

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30 thoughts on “KTM Update: First China-made EMU to arrive before Sept 2011 – but when will service truly improve? (Update #2)”

  1. As a daily commuter on the Kajang-Sg. Buloh route, I have no choice but to be patient until KTMB improves. A few questions:

    1. What’s the quality of the new EMUs? I use the special ETS train from Kajang to Sungai Buloh everyday and it is VERY nice…any hope that the new EMUs will be up to that quality?

    2. Does KTMB have any plan for a dedicated commuter rail line? Personally I don’t believe they can achieve the 7 minute interval with high level of punctuality if the commuter service has to share tracks with inter-city trains and cargo trains…

    Thank you.

    1. Hi @Ahmad

      Thanks for the questions.

      To answer #1 we have only seen renderings of the new KTM Komuter EMUs so far – there is a posting by TRANSIT here. We do not have any recent photos of the actual interiors yet.

      To answer #2, there is a plan to build a bypass of the Klang Valley from Alor Gajah to Port Klang to Batu Gajah for freight rail. This would remove freight rail from the Klang Valley and make it easier to run passenger trains (Intercity, ETS and Komuter). Unfortunately we have not heard much about this plan (except that it exists) and do not know how quickly it would be implemented.

      TRANSIT would like to see a clear vision on the role of KTM Komuter,. ETS and KTM Intercity in the near future, as the 6-carriage EMUs for Komuter begin to arrive and the electrification & double tracking reaches Butterworth, Penang.

      Our preference has always been that Komuter introduce a higher frequency (5 minutes) “metro” service (similar to the Cityrail/Metro services in Sydney & Melbourne) for the inner Klang Valley that would operate from Klang to Batu Caves and Sg. Buloh to Kajang. Service outside of those points would ideally be covered by KTM’s ETS service, ideally at frequencies of 30 minutes or less, which would take on the “commuter train” and “high-speed train” roles.

      When the electrification and double tracking reaches Butterworth we can imagine that there would be significant demand for ETS trips between KL and Butterworth, as well as a possible Komuter Utara service.

      We would also like to see the triple tracking of KTM rail within the Klang Valley to help reduce congestion, as well as bypass tracks at as many stations as possible to allow for faster train operations.

      Regards, Moaz for TRANSIT

    1. Hmmm…who wants to be that the launching will be on 31 August 2011?

      By the way, when is Hari Raya Aidilfitri expected this year?

      Regards, Moaz for TRANSIT

  2. Corrections:

    Certification of type of the first set only takes at most 3 months. The rest don’t have to be repeat- certified, only tested and commissioned which should be speedier.

    Tender documents are P&C. Any lawyer will be able to tell you that. Even legal purchasers of tender documents are legal-bound to keep it the same.

    5 minutes frequency is NOT possible however much trains you have. The current route design between Putra and KL Sentral does not permit this. Even 7.5 is actually pushing it.

    KTM Komuter started out with a fleet of 62 trains, not 45. The rot did not start in 2007, it became noticeable around that period. Their availability had been falling for some time but I can tell you even with two-thirds of the fleet available Komuter was still able to operate at 10 minute intervals, plus having some for standby and run special expresses (people who had been taking Komuter long enough will remember the Limited Stop Express between Sentul and Seremban c2004-2005). So let’s give Dr. Aminuddin the benefit of the doubt.

    I agree a larger number of EMUs are needed – 38 is simply not enough – I estimate at least 60 is needed for starters. It will help with spares too as it will become a big market that any manufacturer worth its name will not take the risk to ignore. SIngapore has been doing it right all along.

    1. @MalayanTiger

      Thanks for the feedback and info.

      As we recall, the ETS trains arrived in March 2010 and were in service more than 3 months later. The RapidKL 4-carriage LRT trains arrived in August 2009 and were put into service on December 30 (of course that certification + T & C would be more complicated).

      Regarding tender documents, while they are private & confidential information has leaked in the past – and we believe that it would be in the public benefit to know more about the tender offers and prices.

      As for the frequencies, we have to say that we think 5 minutes is pushing it while 7.5 minutes is possible. Tell us your reasoning and we will tell you ours.

      Regarding the fleet size and the freight rail bypass – thanks for checking that. We got different information from different sources. We’ll be happy if we can confirm all the details once and for all.

      Regards, Moaz for TRANSIT

  3. One more correction – the rail bypass for freight proposed is from Serendah – Port Klang – Labu. It’s not Batu Gajah – Port Klang – Alor Gajah . This proposal has been around since the early days of the RIDT. Its primary reason was to reroute freight trains, some of which carry dangerous cargo (e.g. oil from PD before it was terminated in 2008). Even with this bypass, 5 minutes frequency is still not possible.

  4. We don’t need the new KTM Komuter EMU only looks nice and comfortable aesthetically if the train is not OKU (physically, visually and hearing impaired) friendly and usable ENOUGH e,g, wide internal aisle, wide door/entrance, wide toilet for wheelchair bound friends, safety harness in the coach for wheelchair, enough Braille signs and buttons, sufficient loud and clear audio announcement, sufficient and function safety features for blind people, sufficient/enough LCD/LED display unit to display any information visual display inside/outside the coach/the train, platform etc even inside the train station toilet for hearing impaired friends. All these OKU friendly features/facilities must maintain properly to make sure it really works in consistency.

  5. Let this be clear that it is not the Govt’s job to help the disabled move around. Instead of adopting an entitlement mentality, it is time for the disabled to learn to move around like Nick Vujicic.

  6. @Wrongdoings_rapidkl
    Try to say that in United Kingdom, I’m sure you will become the public enemy in no time. You are utterly insensitive, inhumane, no sympathy for any disabled person, no moral, no heart of kindness, try to have a family member who is disabled or OKU than you’ll understand what I mean. I think by referring you no manner, kurang ajar or 没家教 is way more than just suitable, because IT IS YOU!!!!

  7. If you are willing to learn, there’s nothing you can’t learn! Nick is one great living example. He refused to let his disability get the better of him. In future, ask yourself how can you do this or that instead of thinking that I am entitled top this or that. Ask yourself how can you make your life better instead of expecting the Govt to take care of you. Entitlement mentality is extremely unethical. It promotes laziness and undermines self-reliance. At the end of the day, the person gets weaker. The net result is a bunch of individuals expecting people to take care of them. Go to Europe and you will know what I am saying. Greece is bankrupt because the people are lazy and expect the Govt to take care of them. The rest of Europe is just another financial time bomb waiting for the someone to push the button. Imagine if everyone is willing to learn and make themselves better. What a great world we will create.

    Finally, on Jeffrey’s comment written on July 12, 2011 at 1:55 am. Once again, this is typical of his behaviour. Here he is once again, calling people all sorts of names when the person’s opinion failed to tally with his. For the second time in four days, he is here with his smear tactics, and he used all sorts of names such as no manner, kurang ajar or mei jia jiao to multiply the damage on my side. This is not the first time I am victimized by his unethical way of writing. The are other individuals too, victimized by him. It seems like this man is in the opinion that people’s patience are infinite and he can make us his favourite punching bag forever.

    @Moaz
    May I beg you to stop this unethical behavior of Mr Jeffrey Ang. Let’s this be clear that this writing habit is not a way in this website. I Thank You for your kind assistance.

    1. You mention Europe without knowing what is really happening. Greece is bankrupt because of corruption and people not contributing to society but preferring a “me-first” mentality rather than a cooperative one.

      For this reason people would do as much as they could to avoid the government, refusing to pay taxes etc. One also has to wonder why Greece has these bonds – many are related to construction for the Athens Olympic Games and related construction projects.

      What I would like to know is you are linking the creation of a society where everyone has reasonable and fair access to basic economic and social opportunities to an “entitlement” mentality?

      Designing trains to be accessible to your customers not pandering to the entitlement mentality – it’s just good business sense – especially with an aging & less mobile population. KTMB is a government agency and everyone is a potential customer.

      When Ford designs cars for the female buyer, or the elderly buyer, is that the “entitlement mentality” or just appealing to a market?

      Regards, Moaz for TRANSIT

  8. @Moaz

    ETS is a different problem during T&C and can be considered as extraordinary case – it went into service after 5 months. As for the BHC 4-car LRT, it was a different case too – it went under the assembly line twice – once in Mexico and another in Malaysia. Their T&C had to be more rigorous than usual and integration inspection needs are much higher. And they had other problems not necessarily technical e.g. Curtis Canada going bust the moment they wanted the door systems support during T&C.

    There is a calculation that is being used to determine the maximum frequency, that I am not at liberty to divulge. 7.5 minutes is really pushing it, even without Intercity and Cargo, and this bars any delay. One minor delay is enough to set a reverberating effect that will cause the whole punctuality table to run wild. And I have not even touched on the signalling system yet!

    As for the tender docs’ P&C-ness, Moaz, I’m sure you know the ends do not justify the means. It’s just not ethical.

    BTW, Alor Gajah in Melaka last had a railway link in 1941 before it was dismantled by the Japanese (as part of the Melaka branch originating in Tampin). Why would the Government want to build a bypass that ends nowhere?

    1. @MalayanTiger

      You say that ETS is an extraordinary case – fair enough, but we would like to know why you consider it extraordinary and why you are confident that the EMUs from China can be certified and complete T & C in 3 months.

      As for Curtis Canada going bust, that was quite annoying and did affect many systems that had recently purchased Bombardier products – including Toronto’s subway.

      Regarding the frequencies – if you cannot divulge the calculation then it is hard to accept the numbers. That is one of the issues we have – we are rarely given numbers and when we are given numbers we are not given the values behind them to justify those numbers. Hence, we have to wonder about each & every claim that is made.

      Regarding ethics – there are enough ethical issues in Malaysia including those linked to KTM with questions that have not been answered in a satisfactory manner. The controversy about the award for the new AFC is just the most recent. Before that there was the issue of the cost of the new EMUs, the attempt to purchase the DMUs from Spain, and even the claim from the Minister of Transport that he had negotiated the transfer of Tokyo Metro EMUs to KTM.

      As for Alor Gajah – why is it impossible to rebuild the rail and extend it beyond Alor Gajah? Shall we be limited to spur lines off an increasingly busy mainline, or should the government consider breaking new ground in railway transportation?

      Regards, Moaz for TRANSIT

  9. @Wrongdoings_rapidkl
    The OKU is not asking the government to give them money every month and feed them from A to Z. All they are asking for are adequate/sufficient/suitable/enough facilities/infrastructures to ensure their safety and convenience of life just like you and me so called a normal person will ask for. Even sometimes we the non-disabled people will also demand or ask for tonnes of rights and facilities. I believe even you yourself also used to demand certain rights and facilities/conveniences/infrastructures from certain party too. Please don’t tell us you never do so in your life, only idiots/ghosts will believe it.

  10. @Malayan Tiger

    Moaz’s doubts on KTMB’s claims that the new EMU can be put into service by end of 2011 are legitimate concerns to me. It merely points to the systematic habit of many a Malaysian officials of optimal bias when promising delivery time frame. No harm done if we are optimists by character, but many real problems would arise when we act out of ignorance of previous records on ‘naive optimism’. Indeed, huge cost overrun may arise when delivery timeframe of a certain project (be it EMU upgrade, staudium construction, higway, etc.) is poorly planned.

    @Moaz

    At some point in the recent future (if not now), KTMB has to start planning for another line along the west coast corridor, namely the Butterworth – Teluk Intan – Klang – Melaka – Batu Pahat – Johor Bahru. For a start, a sort of “bypass” btw Batu Gajah – Klang – Alor Gajah seems plausible. Railway take a painfully long time to construct, typically 10 – 20 years from planning to commissioning. And we’ve been tearing down old tracks in the last 50 years. The Europeans realised their folly of removing old tracks and has since reversing the trends, putting rails over roads in terms of investment priority.

    When will we see this paradigm shift in Malaysia? I can see many people laugh at the implausibility of a new west coast rail line, yet they might not know (or maybe because they do) the other deal Malaysians will get is another toll expressway along the west coast. Which is really sickening for me.

    1. @Chung Yi Fan

      Thank you for the feedback. Do note that I am not doubting that it can be done by December.

      We just pointed out that the last certification + testing and commissioning that KTM underwent took approximately 5 months, and if the first new train arrives in August then it will be ready by December but will that be enough to improve service.

      Whether it can be done in 3 months as @MalayanTiger says – well, we just hope we can share his confidence.

      Regards, Moaz for TRANSIT

  11. Moaz, I am aware of the AFC “controversy”.Suffice to say that it’s a simple case of politics and there is no ‘hanky panky’ as alleged by the media. It was simply blown out of proportion. What have you heard about it now? Same thing with the DMU case. The media got the wrong information and straight away claiming it a wrongdoing. The Japanese 6000 series EMU is on the verge of being retired, and like the Blue Train Coaches were up for donation. Again, it’s not like what it seems. You should know Malaysian media is the last source for information of any degree of reliability.

    I find it funny you can justify the breaking of ethics just because it is apparent to you that’s the case elsewhere. Careful there.

    There are reasons why some things just cannot be divulged, and it’s not because one is hiding any wrongdoings. I would leave it to the people running the system, because I know they’re doing the best that they can and they know what they are doing, in view of the “barriers” presented by all parties around them. Some things are just not within their control, and the least we can do is not to assume they are idiots just because it seems that way .

    Moaz, have you been to Alor Gajah before? The whole area is chock full of housing estates and industrial areas. Land takeover will be a nightmare. Alor Gajah is not connected to the railway system, not since past-1941, and to be building a “bypass” to a point that ends nowhere does not quite fit the meaning of the word. My point is, you got the incorrect information about the bypass. The Serendah – Port Klang – Labu bypass was proposed during Dato’ Salleh Abdullah’s time as KTM MD. It was to branch out of the mainline south of the current Serendah freight station, travel due Southwest for about 40km past Batu Arang to somewhere within Klang. From there it would head Southeast and rejoin the mainline just North of the Labu station. One thing that many are not aware of is that KTM is not at liberty to decide what to buy for its rollingstock, never mind build tracks. So to heap the responsibility on KTM is far from being fair.

    1. @MalayanTiger

      The biggest problem with the Malaysian media is that In most cases the Malaysian media repeats whatever comes out of a press release or whatever they get from Bernama. The second biggest problem is a lack of continued investigation. The AFC story made the papers for a day or two. The DMU case was a bit more interesting and lasted longer because there was an MP who felt that it had to be mentioned. As for the 6000 series trains, that announcement was only published in one newspaper as we recall and there was no follow up. The Blue trains have arrived in Malaysia but we don’t know much more beyond that.

      We already know that the Malaysian media is not the best source for information but where are the other sources? We cannot just “leave it to the people running the system” anymore because it is clear that they aren’t trying to correct the incorrect information and there are serious problems with the rail service. We have faith in KTM too, and we have certainly never assumed or suggested that they were idiots … but faith alone is not enough anymore to correct the perception about KTM.

      It’s interesting that you picked up on the opportunity to pass on an “ethics lesson” but say very little about the problems that KTM has been facing except to blame the media for creating hype, as well as the “barriers” and the people who make decisions about KTM’s rolling stock etc. Sorry but even though KTM is stuck between the proverbial bureaucratic rock and political hard place, Dr. Aminuddin is still the president and still responsible for making sure that KTM is in the best state with what he’s got. That means shaking up management and the government if necessary, as well as making sure that the information that gets out about KTM is correct and telling the media when they have said something wrong or incorrect.

      Regarding Alor Gajah, yes, I have been there many times, and Zul as well. Yes, it is a wasteland of housing estates and industrial areas and yes, we are wrong on the exact location of the bypass. What can we say except that we got different pieces of information and decided on the wrong one. In any case, the current plan is to have a freight bypass is now from Batu Tiga to Sg. Buloh – and presuming it will be an extension of the Subang railway subdivision, it will probably be an extension using an abandoned line (Subang), running through nowhere (the area past Subang Airport), passing through an area that will soon be a combination of housing estates & industrial areas anyways.

      Regards, Moaz for TRANSIT

  12. Oh BTW, I have to make a standard disclaimer here. While I do work within the railway industry, I do not claim to represent any parties named in this debate (KTM BHC etc.). Just that I am aware of what is going on in the industry (it’s a small one in Malaysia so news travels fast) and I hate seeing things stated to be what they are not.

    Thanks and regards

    1. @MalayanTiger

      Well, do know that you and your colleagues are welcome here and we appreciate your care and concern for the industry. And yes, we would be happy if we were able to hear more points of view and perspectives on the issues facing public transport in Malaysia in general and the railway industry in particular. That is what this site is for – to raise awareness, encourage healthy discussion, and find solutions to our transport woes.

      Regards, Moaz for TRANSIT

  13. for me i prefer retaining 15mins frequency, but the ktm komuter uses 8 or 12 car train. if the frequency is high, about 7 mins per train, the Batu Junction – KL Sentral stretch will become 3.5 mins per train, the railway line will be terribly congested because ktm need to reserve time for railway switching, intercity and freight, unless the Sungai Buloh – Kajang, Batu Caves – Subang Jaya stretch uses quadruple track, where the komuter service East Klang Valley could having frequency as frequent as metros (7 mins off-peak, 3 mins peak), because the freight/intercity and komuter have their own dedicated tracks.

    i’m not sure which train the japanese offered for ktmb for free.
    maybe it is Toei 5000 or 5200 series?

  14. @Aliciel
    The train that Japanese offered to Malaysia for free are 14 (more than 40 year-old) train coaches, They are from the JR West and JR Kyushu lines old train (normal speed) which are supposed to be in good conditions and according to KTMB it still can be used for 15 years which I doubt it. I’m not sure which model is it but certainly not toei 5000 or 5200, they are too new and too good to be true. All the 5000 series trains are too new to be more than 40 year-old.

    1. @Jeffrey

      The offering was for JR Blue coaches, and those coaches were received in Malaysia and are in the process of being upgraded and commissioned.

      Perhaps @aliciel is referring to the supposed ‘acquisition’ of free trains from Tokyo’s urban rail system that the former Minister of Transport Ong Tee Keat claimed he had negotiated.

      Regards, Moaz for TRANSIT

  15. @Moaz Transitmy
    When I went to Dayabumi and even Sentral One 19th Floor I was told by the officers there that no second hand or refurbished train will be used for our MRT system. Everything will be brand new.

  16. @Moaz transitmy

    If Malaysia really use donated secondhand/refurbished train coaches for our MRT/KTM Komuter system, it will make me even more worry. After all, Malaysia is famous for third world maintenance reputation although we may have first world facilities. Breaking down of the train is one thing, if you do not or not able to do a proper maintenance job especially on a secondhand coach you are endanger the lives of many passengers.

    1. @Bob Dylan

      The pictures of the trains under fabrication show 3 sets of doors per side.

      With 6 carriages that means 18 sets of doors per side or 36 sets per train.

      Regards, Moaz for TRANSIT

  17. I hope the KTMB service from Batu Caves to Klang can be improved soon after the new train comes & operates.Currently, the train is always delay or train gap is more than 30 mins. Some driver drive quite low. This really testing my patient.

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